Meera
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| | Saturday, November 28, 1998 - 3:11 am: | 
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"Aprup" (ki "Aproop"?) hya shabdacha nemka artha, aNi mahit asalyas wyutpatti, koNi mala sangu shakel ka?
Abhar.
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Jaganbua
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| | Saturday, November 28, 1998 - 8:04 pm: |
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aproop haa shabd kautuk ki.nwaa nawalaaee yaa arthaane bahutek weLaa waparalaa jaataanaa disato. udaharNaarth: "nawyaa scooter che aproop kitee diwas, tar pahilaa orkhaDaa uThe parya.ntach." ki.nwaa "answering machine che aataa kaahee aproop bhaarataat dekhil urale naahee"
gaabhuLalelee chi.nch mhaNaje hirwyaa chi.nche chee tapkiree chi.nch hoNyaachee prakriyaa nukteech suruu jhaalee aahe ashee chi.nch. ashee chi.nch kee jee dhaD turaT hee naahee aaNi purNa a.mbaT hee naahee. haa shabd bahudhaa gabhaa yaa shabdaa paasun aalaa asaawaa. chi.nch gabhyaakaDun pikat yete mhaNun.
chhyaa, bhalatyaa aaThawaNee kaaDhu nako. chi.nchaa paDNyaat shaaLelaa buTTee Taklee mhaNun kiteedaa maar khaallaa aahe.
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Meera
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| | Saturday, November 28, 1998 - 11:59 pm: |
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Jaganbua,
adar apulyawishayi hoee
wardhaman indukalewat
"wadani kawal gheta nam ghya Shri-Buanche"
ase ata mi mhanate ho jewat!
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Mahavirk
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| | Friday, December 04, 1998 - 6:50 am: |
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shonoo:
aaLee hyA shabdAchA ANakhi ek artha Ahe. tula "saDalelya falAmdhe" asalelya aaLya mAhit asatil... tyach tya.
Admin chya sallya nusaar pratyek shabdaasaathi wegaLi posting karat aahe.
mahavir.
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Jaganbua
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| | Friday, December 04, 1998 - 7:14 am: |
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mahavir,
tu mhaNatos to praaNee mhaNaje aLee aahe re, aaLee naahee.
aaNi shonoo ne saa.ngitalela niyam kharaach niyam aahe paN to uchchaaraNaachaa niyam aahe te.nvhaa tulaa to likhit jnyaaneshwaree chyaa prati madhye kasaa saapaDel? lihiNaaryane gu.NDaaLun thewale mhaNun jibheche waLaN kase badalel re?
aa.nghoL haa shabd atishay sa.nth paNe mhaNun bagh mhaNaje tulaach paTel kee naahee to niyam.
Sorry admin, niyamaa wishayee bolat asalyaane ithech lihile.
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Parshuram
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| | Sunday, December 06, 1998 - 7:50 pm: |
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ma.nDaLee,
imAm, anAhut, agamya hyA shabdA.nche arth havet.....arthAt ravivAr-che suTTee phukAt ghAlavNyA itpat kAheech ghAee nAhee....vAt baghtoy..
aabhAr
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Shonoo
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| | Monday, December 07, 1998 - 2:45 am: |
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anAhut mhanje achanak aalela pahuNa, (kinva achanak manat alela vichar )
agamya mhaNje anaakalneey , mhanje fluid dynamics,
solid co-ordinate geometry,stochastic equations, kinva maze hastakshar ityadi
iMam mhanje mashidi cha mukhya adhikari,
kinva mala vatate ki kuthlya tari sanskrut
sarva namaache kuthale tari roop,
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Meera
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| | Monday, December 07, 1998 - 5:50 am: |
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ImAm:
Sanskrut "idam"che streelingi dwitiyeche ekwachani roop "imAm".
(UdAharaN:
Masheedastha imAm imAm Meeram saharshamabhiwAdanam karoti!)
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Shonoo
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| | Monday, December 07, 1998 - 3:28 pm: |
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aakanTH mhanje kanTHaa parya.nt, aakarN mhanje kaanaaparya.nt tar mag aarakt mhanje laal kase kaay ?
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Meera
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| | Monday, December 07, 1998 - 4:41 pm: |
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Medha,
tumachyA warachyA kutuhalAsambandhi:
"aa" hya pratyayala "jarA kami" asAhi jo ek artaha Ahe to "aarakta", "aapANDur", "aaneel" wagaire shabdA.nmadhe abhipret Ahe. (lAlsar, pAnDharaT, niLasar).
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Parshuram
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| | Monday, December 07, 1998 - 4:42 pm: |
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Shonoo,
aaplyA uttarA-baddal dhanywAd.
aaplyA vareeel-prasHNA-var mee mAze vichAr prakaT karoo ichchito.....aarakt mhaNje bahuda raktAchya lAl ra.ngAche varNan kareet asAve....arthAt mAzee vichArshakti sAmAnya aslyAne jar hey chukiche asel mtar malA fArse naval vATNAr nAhee.....
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Rhul
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 3:13 am: |
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meera
aa ya pratyala sampurnapane nakararti arth aahe
jara kami asa nasawa.
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Meera
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 4:19 am: |
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Rhul:
Tumche mhaNaNe donhi babteet barobar nAhi he lihiNyAkherij gatyAnantar nAhi.
'aa' hyA pratyayAlA khare mhaNaje nakArArthi artha nAhi (ANi "jarA kami" hA ek artha tar nakkich Ahe. "Aarakta" mhaNaje "lAlsar"; poorNa lAl nasalele). "Gaman" ANi "Aagaman" he shbda ekmekanchyA 'wiruddha' asalyAne "aa" pratyaya 'nakArArthi' asalyAsArakhe warakaraNi bhasate. PaN wAstawik "Nirgaman" he "Gaman"-che 'nakArArthi' roop Ahe! "Nirgaman" mhaNaje "BAher jaNe" (=> 'nakArArthi'). "Aagaman" mhaNAje fakta 'viruddha bAjoone yeNe' itakech. Te.nwhA "nir-" kinwA "nis-" hA, tasech "a" hA, he don 'nakArArthi' pratyaya Ahet. (UdAharaNArtha: NyAya - anyAya).
Chookbhool deNe gheNe.
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Rhul
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 4:30 am: |
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Meeraji
agaman manje virudh bajune yane atta lakshat aale.
agdhi tark bharktla hota maza.
pan jane yacha nakarathi n jane asa hoto tyala aagaman manje yane, nirgaman manje baher jane he dohni shabda n jane ha artah vyakta karu shakat nahit. tenva n jane yala yogya shabda kay
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Mahavirk
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 12:07 pm: |
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Rhul,Meera:
"aa" an "a" hya abhiswarupa.nmadhe ghoL ghAlu nakA!
"a" mhaNje "nakAr"
(AgamaN = a + gamaN ; Agamya = a + gamya)
"aa" mhaNje "nearby/javaL-javaL"
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Shonoo
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 2:09 pm: |
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Meera :
In your post of 8:19 PM you mentioned
>PaN wAstawik "Nirgaman" he "Gaman"-che >'nakArArthi' roop Ahe!
I am confused about this. 'nakArArthi roop' is
an antonym, or 'negation' of the original word.
How come Nirgaman, which means 'baher jAne' is nararthi of 'gaman' which is 'jAne', going away from where the 'subject is'.
Can you please explain ?
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Meera
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 2:10 pm: |
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"Gaman" = jANe
"aagaman" = yeNe
"agaman" = na jANe
"nirgaman"= bAher jANe
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Karu Sraswati-naman;
shikuniyA "ga-ma-bha-na"
ho-u de amuche adnyAn-nirgaman!
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Meera
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 2:45 pm: |
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Shonoo:
Mi mAjhi warachi chiththi "chikatawali" te.nwhA tumchi 6:09AM-chi chiththi mAjhyA kampyutarwar Aleli nawhati. TumchyA tyA chiththi sambandhAt:
Mi war lihile tase "a" hyA pratyayAne "gaman"che achook nakArArthi roop "agaman" ase hote; paN "nir-" hA erawi nakArArthi asalelA dusara pratyaya lAgoon Sanskrutmadhe paramparene "nirgaman" hA "bAher jANe" hyA Arthi shabda prachalit Ahe he khare.
JAtAjAtA:
Nir-" kinwA "Nis-" kinwA "Nish-" hyA nakArArthi prtyayAche ek udAharaN mhaNaje: "Nishchal". (MarAthit "chal" he wisheshaN prachArAt nAhi, paN Sanskrutmadhe Ahe. "Chal" mhaNaje je halate kinwA halu shakate te. "Nishchal" mhaNaje je halat nAhi kinwA halu shakat nAhi te.)
"ANakhi" jAtAjAtA:
Chal, chal chandrA pasar chAndaNe
Kiti bai tari wAt pAhaNe.
WarachyA prasiddha geetatala "chal" ha shabda Sanskrut "chal" (= chAlaNe") dhatoochech uchchArAchyA drushtine jarA apabhrashta roop Ahe!
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Jaganbua
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 5:43 pm: |
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meera,
chal prachaaraat nasale taree assal marathi baaNyaane aamhee chaL prachaaraat Thewale aahe.
ramdaasaa.npaasoon te dilip purushottam chitryaa.nparya.nt sagaLyaa.nee chaLaachaL haa shabd srshTee che warNana karaayalaa waaparalaa aahech kee.
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Shonoo
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| | Tuesday, December 08, 1998 - 5:55 pm: |
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Meera :
Were you watching Clinton's testimony when you wrote this, by any chance ?
First you wrote this
>PaN wAstawik "Nirgaman" he "Gaman"-che
>'nakArArthi' roop Ahe!
Then you wrote this
>Mi war lihile tase "a" hyA pratyayAne "gaman"che
>achook nakArArthi roop "agaman" ase hote;
I have not seen agaman used in Marathi anywhere. Is it popularly used in Sanskrit
literature ?
Anyway, talking about nir I am not sure there is any hard and fast rule about nir being a negative pre-fix. I can think of 'nirdesh' and 'niratishay' where IMHO there is no negation of the original word. There must be more to this nir than just negation.
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