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priya hitgujkaranno
gele kahi divas "fake ID waale hitgujkar" asa wakprachar barech thikani vachayla milala. asa ullekh karnaryanna "fake id" mhanaje nakki kay mhanayche ahe? karan ithe je ID astaat te sarva admin ni aproove kelele "hitgujID" astaat. mazya sarkhe eetarahi kahi lok ahet jyanna kahi karnanmule swatahachi khari mahiti ughad karavishi vatat nahi/nasel. pan nivval hya eka karna sathi swataha vishayi mahiti na denarya lokanbaddal "fake" ha shabda vaparne kitpat yoggya ahe? mala ha shabda atishay apmanaspad vatato. teva tya tya user ni ghetlela ID hech tyache virtual "khare" naav ahe he lakshat gheun tyacha adar karava hee vinanti.
dhannyawad
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bravo HH, tujhe mahnane agadi patale...
Yahoo, MSN chats etc ashi bareech thikaane aahet jithe so called fake-id users milataat mhanun HG var tari apan khari naave vaparli pahijet, ase eka Hgkarache suggestion malaa ajibaatach patale naahi. HG is a very good site for exchange of ideas, to make virtual Marathi friends and as entertainment. Pan mhanun jyane tyane apale khare naav, gaav, patta, zip code, vay he sangitlech pahije ani so called "khari" identity denaare lokach kaay te genuine or "acceptable" aahet, he je ekandarit sagalikade kahi HG vale thaasun sangat aahet, he atishay chukiche ani discriminating aahe. Hyaachi adminne krupaya nond ghyaavi.
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 5:38 pm: |
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HH, jojo, tumhi swatacha ek chhan gairsamaj karun ghetala aahe.
HH, ektar tu jya ullekhala refer karate aahes,, to ullekh, tasachya tasa tu ithe takala pahijes. so that one can decide whether tya ullekhat kharach tujha kinwa itar 'asha' id valya lokancha apaman karanyacha uddesh aahe ki nahi. I am sure ki jyane ha shabda vaparala tyala 'fake' ha shabd 'khare nasane' ya arthane vaparayacha asel. aani when u say 'virtual', it itself means 'something which does not exist' aani asha id la jar koni fake id mhanale tar tyat evadha apaman honyasarakhe kay aahe ? I am sure, fake is used for id, not for that person using it.
jojo, ya sarva goshtit admin la madhye padayache kay karan aahe te sangshil ka ? jase tula 'tya' hitagujkarache mhanane patale nahi he tu sangate aahes tasech 'tya' hg karala ha funda patala nasel evadhech. tyat tyane kahi khup motha gunha kela aahe ase mala mulich vatat nahi. yat discriminating kahihi nahiye. aani jar ekhada, 'virtual' id vaparanara hgkar swata genuine asel tar tyala lok kay mhanatat yachi chinta karayacha kahihi karan nahiye, nahi ka ?
shevati, jo to aapalya marjicha malak asato, tyamule ase jyana aavadat nasel, te tase mhanatil. jyana aavadate tyani tya mhananyakade durlaksha karave. that's better. what say ?
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HH, JOJO Aga TÜpNa naavaalaa fake id mhTla mhNajao exact Xabd vaaprta Aalaa nasaola mhNaUna Asa maI samajalao. Aata kumaaga`jaanaa kÜNaI mhNaola ka kI tI fake id Aaho mhNaUna to kvaInao Gaotlaolao naava Aaho. AaplapNa tsaca ga. 
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milindaa : here is a link.
http://69.94.96.131/hitguj/messages/46/898.html?1020716696
ithe hemantp ne lihila ahe --> "itkyaat traffic lai vachla aahe ani barech members fake id ghevun ( swatachi Identity lapwun ) lihit aahet. purvi kase members khari id, khare email address ghevun lihit asat. olakhi vadhvayache, pratyaksha bhetun sampark thevayache, aata ase disun yet naahi."
tyach link madhe yogibear mhanato -- > Admin, hemantp: agadi barobaar.....halli loka identity lapavtaat hyaache dukhaa....
hya shivay aajach dekhnya ni pan ha mudda tondolakh madhe kadhla ahe. -- >
"fasavaNuk tar konihi aani kuthehi karu shakata'... kaahi lok' fake IDs naahi ka gheun yet hitguj var.
barech jaNa tar swatahacha naavach kaay, pincode/zipcode, state, country suddha lihit naahit.
Please let me make it very clear that I am not even thinking of trying to attack all those people who have done that. There's no intention either "
milindaa : maza akshep "fake id" hya shabdavar ahe. hemant,yogi , dekhnya hyancha konachahi muddam apamaan karnyacha ajibaat hetu nahiye he malahi mahit ahe. tasach mala uddeshun pan ajibaat koni kahi mhatla nahiye. pan khari mahiti na denaryanviruddhachi hee orad anathayi vatate.
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va arch, kya baat hai..
are kay fekafeki chalavli ahe tumhi?
hemant, yo, dekhnyaa yanna karne dakhva notice pathavnyat yet ahe.. :-)
krushna aagit tel otnyachya kamat tarbej hota asa aikla hota, ithe purava milto ahe ? :-)
baki ha samna purush vs striya asa disto ahe.. :-)
nahi, eka bajula hemant, yo, dekhnyaa ani dusrikade HH, jojo (yawn..... :-)
pudhcha lihavat nahiye, far zop ali.. :-)
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 6:38 pm: |
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HH,
1. Let's see what Hemant is saying. 'swatachi identity (khari) lapavun' ase tyala mhanyache aahe. isn't it true ? I agree, you have a identity called as HH, but you also agree that it is not your true identity. we are not discussing here why it was necessary for you to take that. but, since it is not your true identity, you should not feel bad about that mention. secondly, don't you agree, that if u do not want to reveal your true identity, you obviously would not like to meet people. and that is what he is saying.
2. Yogibear says the same thing. 'identity lapavun' and he obviously means (true) identity lapavun.
aata yogibear ne he bolane mhanaje ek vinod hou shakato ha bhag vegala
3. aani if you feel bad about people saying 'fake identity', what would u say about a ex-hg kar who used to write with diff. IDs (for clue , I would say, used to draw nice pictures). So, compare these scenarios and tell me that unless , a person knows better about any 'virtual id' person, he or she would be termed as 'fake id' people in general.
what say ?
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savvya samna rangava mhanun tu cheerleaders sarkhya jasta udya maru nakos 
samna vagaire kahi nahi. issue lahan hota pan pointout karavasa vatla mhanun kela. personaly gheu naka.
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 6:55 pm: |
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Milind, that if one does not reveal his/her identity, means that he/she does not want to meet people is an utterly false statement. Just because someone assumes a different or "fake" (in popular terms) identity, does not mean he/she is an introvert or an unsocial person. On the contrary, I would think the person is extremely social and does not want "olakhi" jikde tikde, or would just want to keep only HG purti olakh with the HG friends, what's wrong with that ?
Just because a person does not reveal his/her real name, doesn't make him/her any less of HGkar....
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 6:56 pm: |
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Savvy - tu zop! faar ghoru nakos mhanje jhaale
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 7:06 pm: |
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savyaaÊ mahaBaartat Ajau-na saarKa rDayacaa AaiNa ÌXNaacaa AaQaar Gyaayacaa ho malaa maaihtI hÜto. Aata
%yaacaaca ID GaotlyaamauLo tulaa pNa tsaoca rDayalaa laagato Aaho ho Aaja kLlao..
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are aaplyapudhe kititari itar atigambhir prashna ahet te sodvaycha sodun ha kaay faltu vaad? :-)
ata hech gambhir prashna bagha.
1 samuvaila secularismche fande shikavne..:-)
2 swaraliche superman ani human beings yanbaddalche fande clear karne
3 rushla "Hi ppl" ya shabdanvyatirikta itar kahi shabda shikavne
4 robinhoodla engraji, mingraji vachayla shikavne
5 sudharakala marathi bhashevar thoda tari prem, maaybolivar yeto mhanun ka hoina, karayla shikavne
6 adityaranadechya taklavar kes ugavnyache ani tyachveles tyacha narda band karnyache upay shodhane
7 prasadchya vidambangitanchya puraalaa thopavne
8 rasikyashachya BB ughadnyachya utsahala thoda lagam ghalne
9 zalach tar, navanavachi lakhnavi chicken (?) chya khanani oti bharne
kinva gela bajar, charolichi khari mahiti khanun kadhne.. !!! ????
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 7:12 pm: |
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lol savya... ani shivay lagnanantar chya affairsche gambhirya tar lokanchya lakshatahi yet nahi, halli mhane avivahit lokahi yeun ka affairs hotat he sangat astat asa me aiklay...
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absolutely right, Jojo!
i dont know what 'dukkha' hemantp and yogi r talking about, many ppl have problem revealing their identity on the web, and hitguj need not be an exception since this does not depend on how good the site is or its users are. it's a totally personal decision, and should be quite understandable, tyamadhye itaranna wait watayacha kahich karan nahi, aani mitra maitrini jamavane aani 'id' cha kaay sambandh aahe he mala kalat nahi, u can share ur personal info with right ppl when u want, it need not be in the profile.
secondly 'fake id' does not and should not mean ppl with their id's different than their real names. tyacha shabdasha artha gheu naka. in my opinion, a person has a fake id when he is faking his whole identity not 'id'. so for an example, when a male registers with a female id and has fake information in his profile, clearly it's fake id.
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 7:59 pm: |
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savya tuzya listmadhe ek item me add karto modeartor mhanun,
savyasachila pratek BB war TP karnyapasun rokhane :o)
anyways, I guess kalandar mhantoy te jaasti barobar aahe asa mala vatate.
Hemantcha mudda mala neetsa kalala nahi. Maza personal anubhav ha aahe ki Hitgujwar jenva me regular yayala laglo tenva baryachasha olakhi zalya aani tyatlya kahi khop ghanishtha zalya. e.g. samrya kinva svs kinva shilpa kinva HH kinva ajjuka etc.
pun 3-4 varshe rahilyanantar in generalach asha olakhi vadhavanyacha mala kantala aalay tyamule personal olakhi kami hotahet. Tyat fake idacha kahi bhaag ahe asa mala vatat nahi. Fake if tenvahi hote ani attahi aahet.
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 9:13 pm: |
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Aro pNa mauL mau_a baajaUlaa rahtÜya...
klaMdrÊ tuJyaa vyaa#yaot jasao puÉYaanao baacaa ID GaoNao ho fake Aaho tsaoca khIjaNaaMcyaa XabdkÜYaat KrI identity lapvaNao yaalaa fake mhNatat. homaMt nao jaovha tÜ mau_a ilaihlaa tovha %yaacaa ]_oXa na@kIca laÜkaMnaa Asao id GaoNyaapasaUna rÜKNao ha nasaNaar. malaa ho pUNa-pNao maanya Aaho kI jyaalaa jaovha vaaTola tovha tÜ maaNaUsa
%yaacaI identity yaÜgya maaNasaalaa saaMgaola. yaat ek gaÜYT sava-ca jaNa maanya krtahot kI kahIjaNaaMnaa AaplaI KrI identity lapvaNao saurixat vaaTtoÊ kahIMnaa %yaat kahI Aqa- vaaTt naahI. pNa magaÊ yaa sava- p`karat fake id yaa XabdaMt Apmaanaaspd vaaTNyaasaarKo kaya Aaho ³jaÜ kI HH caa maUL Aaxaop Aaho.´ hoca malaa kLt naahIyao. AapNa [qao fake id hvaa kI nakÜ yaasaMbaMQaI baÜlat nasaUna %yaalaa fake AsaM mhNaNao ho caUk ikMvaa barÜbar yaacaI cacaa- krtÜya.
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 9:31 pm: |
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iktI ro sagaL\yaacaa iksa kaZtaÆ
It is not a fake identity, or ID. It is Alias ID and Identity not exposed to the world.
calaa sagaL\yaaMnaI accept kra kI Asaca mhNaayaca Aaho mhNaUna
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Yogibear
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 9:41 pm: |
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Arch: ....hi mhanje agadi 'hukum'shaahi jhaali naa!!! ;o)
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milinda,
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=fake
fake means "having a false or misleading appearance; fraudulent". if a person takes an id different from his real name, what's so 'fake' about it? is he trying to mislead ppl? the meaning is pretty straightforward here. "fake" implies a fraudulent intention, how can a simple nick name be fake?? HH quite rightly feels that term derogatory when used without caution. say "nick name" folks, not fake id!
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Storvi
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| | Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 9:54 pm: |
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kalandar, in leui of that tuza nav misleading ahe te "bilandar" ase have hote, so is this intentional? 
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man... cut it out....its a free world, let people take watever IDs they want to,
i think that admin should add a script which adds a  after each and every post so that these sort of things can be avoided. that will also automatically complete the 4 words required for a post
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storvi, AaplaI qaÜrvaI kaya vaNaa-vaI²
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oops .... i forgot ~D
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Navanava
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:07 am: |
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Savya, thamb, tujhya gharic mi te Lucknowi chicken pathavte... mag gammat baghuya
Milindaa, tujhi mata patli. Admin ne hyat ka padava mala hi kalat nahiye.
As far as the fake/real id pana is concerned who cares about semantic games??
Pun I do agree with HH and Jojo regarding the need to respect those who don't wish to divulge all their info. Mala te sensible vatta! Ugac pratyekala ya ya majhi sagli history aika -kahi jaroor nahiye aikavaychi. And I will never get the funda of displaying phone nmbers and addresses everywhere...!
Matra I agree with Milindaa ki ha pratyekaca prashna ahe.Ani hyat Admin/Mods na anaychi jaroor nahi.
HH,Jojo, identity theft chya hya jamanyat being on the safe side certainly makes sense..
Kalandar, neat post
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Dekhnyaa
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 4:17 am: |
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namaskaar mandali. mi jevha ullekh kelaa hota 'fake ids' tevha maajhe intention kuthlyahi vyaktila fake mhanayacha asa navhata. shivaay... tyaachya next oLeetach mi clear kela hota ki maajhe intentions tase naahit mhanoon. prashNa hota ki kahi HGkar khotaa foto deun tond olakhichi link ghetil aani baakichyanche foto baghtil. tyaala dekhil mi asach mhatla ki koNi kahihi karu shakata. to tyaachya personal issue aahe. nobody has any say in what an individual ultimately decides on doing. and he is free to do that. there should be no stopping either. or rather, there cannot be. tya sandarbhaat mi 'fake ids' geun HGkar yetaat he mhaTla hota'.
I may not have been very clear in the usage of the word 'fake' and I apologize to e'one for using it. I would again reiterate that I did not mean to call the person fake.
I totally understand that there may be (are) personal security issues that may prevent someone from doing that. To some, there could be some other reason. I do not disapprove of that in any way.
anyways, koNaalaahi (HH, jojo) vait vaatala asel tar kshama asavi.
saglyanna.... ek
admin la aapaN 'fake" ha shabdach filter karayala saanguya ...
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 5:10 am: |
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I think both parties here are absolutely correct. HH aani jojo mhanate tya pramane security issue nakkich aahet specially mulinchya babtit at the same time yogi, dekhnya etc che pan mhanane barobar aahe. hya internet chya jagat kahihi hou shakat. donhi views tyanchya tyanchya drushtine barobar aahet tyamule doghanihi ek mekanbaddal bolalele vaait vatavun gheu naye aani he discussion yethech thambavav ... HH koni 'fake id' la naav theval tar tu vaait vatun gheu nakos karan to tyacha drushtikon asato aani tyach barobar konala swatachi mahiti dyavishi vatat nasel , for what ever reason, tar te loka vaait aahet etc etc asa mhanu naye ....
my 2 cents ..... konala patal nasel tar dive ghya ...
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Navanava
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 6:07 am: |
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Very well said Sonalin
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Bhalya
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 6:12 am: |
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Milinda - 100 % sahamat !
Savya - Ur much much !
are pan ek kam rahile re ..tya rasikyashla "Bhabade Prashna" navacha BB ughadun dene !
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Milindaa
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 9:32 am: |
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Kalandar,
fake means "having a false or misleading appearance; fraudulent" << Since you have writeen this, let me tell you that your identity here on HG is actually misleading for other people. It may be harmless, but it is a "false" appearance with respect to your true identity. If we take into consideration that this 'Alias' only is your true identity on HG, why would you say yourself that it is a nick name ? So, somewhere you also maintain that it is not your true identity. And That you also won't deny beacuse obviously, you have taken this id for some reasons.
Secondly, who could be able to define a 'fraud'. I know the dictionary meaning, but all would agree to the point that the meaning changes situation wise, contextwise and placewise. So, you can not say that your meaning of the term fraud should be exactly same as others' meaning, though the base concept is same.
Though, I agree with you that a 'nick name' would be more appropriate.
I am not at all discussing whether a 'nick name' should or should not be taken.
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:18 pm: |
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One reason for taking fake ids is to have membership facilities without exposing the identity. I feel this is the prime reason of fake IDs.
People, taking fake IDs is not objectional for the individuals who take it. i see a point in Hemant, yogi's and dekhanya's view.
Having more such people hiding there identities, increases discomfort for the people who reveal their identities transperantly. If this continues, this will force everybody to hide there identity and be isolated as others.
This was a distinctive mark of maayboli site and other sites that people were not afraid of revealing there identities. About 3 yrs back, even many girls were showing there true identities.
All old members including HH would agree that the comfort level for posting any personal info on maayboli site has gone down tremendously.
To give an example, our marriage was a net marriage on maayboli. after that 2 other marriages are executed on hitguj board itself. First 2 couples including myself shared our experience on the site itself. but now such comfort level is not observed and the third couple has decided not to reveal their identity.
After all who will want to go to a meeting bare-faced where everybody is wearing burkha :o)
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:27 pm: |
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So Kiran, according to your posting, to increase the comfort level of the "transparent" users, all new or "fake-id" users should have to undergo abackground check, only then will their entry be permissible ?
Then HG should not be made open to the public, in the first place. It should be a secured website with only selected members, but then willit be as popular as it is today ?
Your point is right that there could be a feeling of discomfort to the users who reveal their true names, contact details etc, but in my opinion, Internet (no matter how good the site may be), is not the place to reveal you contact details and other personal information. By doing so, you are doing it at your own risk, so you should be prepared to face the consequences whatever they might be...like people misusing your information or contacting you unsolicited.
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Sonalin
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 12:30 pm: |
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hhmmm ,kiran very interesting point ....
jojo, my personal experience, no one contacted me unsolicited or misused my information from this site. I think by giving your name, city where you live will just help other users to be at comfort while talking to you on this site and they can not find out just by name and city. Now, in new version, you don't even have to know other person's mail id to mail him / her. How much security one want???
Of course, whether to reveal your identity or not, is individual person's own choice but as kiran mentioned, there is discomfort among other users. If you ask me personally, I will believe more in the person who reveal ones identity than the one who don't. So everyone here is free to post what they want, free to hide / show their identity. Hence why people feel 'apmanit' ???
These are totally my personal views and I do not mean to personally attach anyone. dive ghya ...
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Dekhnyaa
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 1:41 pm: |
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hi loks...
it's morning and i'm back.
sonali: tu 2 cents mhanat mhanat atta paryant 1$ chya var bolalis. ~D.
I absolutely agree to your views.
At the same time, I totally respect the views of jojo and HH.
Folks, let's cut it out here....
1. Whenever somebody used the term 'fake id', it was meant to be nick name' or 'alias id' and had nothing to do with the personality or character of the person using such an id.
2. it is a personal choice (decision) on whether one wants to reveal/conceal his/her identity. all HGkars are free to do whatever makes them more comfortable.
3. no one needs to be offended or 'apamaanit' because of use of certain terms such as 'fake', etc. It was not meant to be an attack on any individual whom-so-ever.
last but not the least...
4. every body will go to the HG clipart section and take one DIWAA for themself.
chill out loks....
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Jojo
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 1:53 pm: |
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Sonali, just by giving a city and country in the profile, would that increase the comfort level of the "identified" users ?
Again, how do you know that the nickname user is giving his/her true city ? What I am trying to say is, that, there is no sureshot
way of knowing anybodies' true identity unless you know the person personally....
For all that you care, once can simply fill in ALL the columns needed fro user creation incorrectly or falsely, and display them on his/her profile.
Then will you rely more on this person, just because he/she has all the sections of the profile completely filled out ?
Does that make the person "out of burkha" ??
Again, Dekhnyaa, I know your "fake-id" refrence wasn't intentional, but it has struck a very valid note of revealing identities on the net.
So I am just trying to understand how can some users feel comfortable just because other users have "everything" mentioned in their profile ?
Who is going to verify that ?
As for unsolicited emails, I have received plenty of them. Even with the new version of HG, where my id is not displayed.
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Zakki
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| | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 2:00 pm: |
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sava- rajakIya puZarI svatÁcao Kro naava saaMgatatca AaiNa Kro naava saaMgaUna Kroca baÜlatat Asao tumhalaa
vaaTto kaÆ ³jao hÜ mhNalao %yaaMnaI puZo vaacaU nayao.´
laÜkhÜÊ ba`mh sa%yama\Ê jagana\ imaqyaa Asao AsataÊ fake kaya ina Kro kaya ha p`Xna ka pDavaaÆ bahUina mao vyatItaina janmaaina tvacaajau-na Asao BagavaMtaMnaI
gaItot mhMTlao Aaho. AaiNa sava- janmaat tumacao naava toca hÜto kI vaogaLo vaogaLoÆ naavaat kaya Aaho
AXyaa Aqaa-cao eka p`isaw [Mga`jaI laoKkacao vaa@yaih tumhI eoklao Asaolaca. AaiNa naava Kro ka KÜTo yaapoxaa
ilaihlaolao vaacaayalaa majaa yaoto kI naahI ho jaast mah%vaacao naahI kaÆ
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