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Soultrip
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:57 am:

That is the tragedy of we Maharashtrian people! ..They either don't know the importance of eduaction in a top-notch B-school or can't qualify the rigorous entrance test! No wonder we see top manangement (of any Indian company) crowded with North Indians & our Marathi manoos is down there coding sincerely!
To answer your question, it has been more than a decade since I passed out. & Just for the records, the institute is ranked as #5.

Nandya
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 5:33 pm:

Tend to disagree on the education issue. I haven't come across a more educated AND dignified community than "Maharasthrians". I may be wrong, but I do not quite understand why the fruits of education should climax into being Managers. A unidimensional perspective such as this may not necessarily be enough to qualify "Maharashtrians" as losers. It may be perhaps that a "Maharashtrian" is on the quest of managing his ownself, more so than managing a group of people. Dont see anything wrong with that as long as he doesn't trample upon anyone else. The World's most derided work-community is that of the Manager, and there may be no two opinions about it :-)

Ajay
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 5:43 pm:

quote:
That is the tragedy of we Maharashtrian people! ..They either don't know the importance of eduaction in a top-notch B-school or can't qualify the rigorous entrance test!

Soultrip, completely disagree here. I have many Marathi manager friends from IIT and IIM. Several IITians went into management without doing MBA. Even in my current management school :-)

, I see several maharashtrians (among indians). (But I don't want to claim ours is best nor I am one of the chosen few. Just lucky perhaps).
I am sure yours is one of the great schools. And have heard great things about it. But it is certainly not the end of the world and definitely not reflect the reality of maharashtrian's in general.

Sorry this is SIBM BB and certainly I am not qualified to post here. Probably getting into SIBM is tougher than some other entrance exams I have tried successfully. But just want to answer the generic post about maharashtrians and management.

Soultrip
Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:37 am:

Nandu- Now you are talking sense. I was only strongly objecting to your word 'Namune'. Now, talking about managing oneself etc, is just nice escapism!

Ajay - I agree with what you said. With due respect towards IITians, MBA is not the only key for entering the wonderland of Management. My only point was/is a Marathi manoos should be aware of opportunities a good B-school offers & should not scoff at it for nothing!

Nandya
Friday, March 17, 2006 - 3:56 pm:

Soultrip, I may well have been referring to myself

असो. पण एकदम आल्या आल्या, मीटींगचे opening "That is the tragedy of we Maharashtrian people! ..They either don't know the importance of eduaction in a top-notch B-school or can't qualify the rigorous entrance test!" अशा judgmental statement ने करणे may not be the sign of a good manager. What say? ;)

एकदा "we Maharashtrian people" , लगेच पुढच्या वाक्यात "They"

राहिली गोष्ट "escapism" ची. त्याचा इथे काय संबंध? नोकरी करणारे बंगाली, मारवाडी, तेलुगू, केरळी नसतातच की काय?

माझे तुम्हाला सरळ आणी honest प्रश्न आहेत. तुम्ही Management का केले. What difference, do you feel, have you made ? Is Leadership inborn or is it a cultivated skill? Is every business-school graduate a Leader? Conversely, is every Manager a business-school graduate? (I am loosely using Leadership and Management in the same sense).

Please do not bear any hard feelings, and do reply if you think these are reasonable queries.

Soultrip
Monday, March 20, 2006 - 5:49 am:

Here are the answers to your questions in the same order:
- To be honest, I pursed MBA in search of a lucrative career
- The difference it made: Yes, I'm glad to share with you that I'm enjoying a very senior leadership position with an eminent Indian company (not to mention 7 years stay in the USA with a top-notch company).This may sound bragging, but I'm miles ahead compared to my engg.buddies. You can verify these facts by sending me email.
- Leadership in-born or cultivated skill - It is a good topic of debate. Still, to answer in oneline here: In some cases it is in-born (e.g. Dhirubhai/JRD/Karasanbhai Patel/Bill Gates) but in most cases if it is not in-born (like in my case), it can be cultivated to some extent.(I can't vouch for myself saying I'm a good/bad manager)
- No, every B-shool graduate can't be a leader, but chances of his becoming a leader are more compared to a regular graduate (i.e. Non-MBA)
- No, every manager is not a B-school graduate. But the converse of this stmt. is true in most cases. i.e. every B-school graduate becomes a manager (how good/successful depends on his attitude/efforts/passion/people-skills etc. His B'school education might be helpful to him in these aspects)

Hope these answers your questions.

Let's stop this online debate here only.For any further queries,details, PLEASE feel free to send me email(of this id). I could be glad to be of some help to you.

Nandya
Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:27 pm:

I'm glad you took the pain to answer my generic queries. Thank you for your time. And thank you for your generous offer of help. Un-enlightened despondent souls do need mentorship, I agree. :-)

Most questions however remained unanswered. Perhaps there needs to be a better facilitation between my communication and your interpretation. As typical Managers would say, a gap needs to be bridged here :-)

(1) Of course, an MBA progam is undertaken with an intent of personal betterment. Nobody does an MBA to change the world, or do they? :-)

Glad to see your honesty. If the intent is self-betterment, do you think such individuals are true Leaders ? How selfless could a person be if he is in a role for personal reasons?

(2) I meant what difference did you make (to others) by achieving an MBA. Could you think of any beyond your own ? In what sense are you miles ahead of your ex-classmates? Monetory worth ? Education is certainly something to brag about, but I would love to hear what other parameters do you evaluate yourself against these other mates of yours.

(3) It isn't a bad conclusion to make, that there is no real trend that a business school is really the sole source of leaders. Some of the most awe-inspiring and abominable entrepreuners and leaders of the current world have had nothing much to do with schooling, for whatever reason. And some of the most ornamentally awesome academic people too have found themselves in positions of leadership and authority. Basic question remains. What is the difference between yourself, and my classmate from school who never pursued education after his SSC, started from scratch and now owns and runs a fleet of transport vehicles, manages around 700 people on his workforce and has the smarts to earn to the tune of half a dozen crores for himself every year ? Both of you are after personal betterment, the mode may be different. Do you honestly believe a person out of school is any superior than one who dropped out ?

(4) As for the pride in being a Business-school product, are you aware of a breed of Managers who are categorized as 'ineffective' or 'weak' ? Are you aware of the ratio of 'certified Managers' in the real world that are completely ineffective ? It is apparent that your definition of "Leader" equates to "A person with a degree in Leadership/Management". Correct me if my assumption is baseless.

I say lets continue this discussion for a while, instead of stopping it. You encouraged it, or should I say I now feel empowered for a discussion that encourages open views. I am excited to have this opportunity to learn from someone who is successful. Whom better than a top notch mentor to acquire wisdom from! I can only marvel at your ascent up the ladder. Afterall, if you were in USA for 7 years, it definitely means there is some substance o your skills and abilities. And I hope I am not disobeying any etiquette on this BB. I realize we started off with an issue concerning "Marathi Losers" and now we are drifting to the concept behind the concept of a 'certified Leader', but the discussion is still, nonetheless, Management related. :-)

Soultrip
Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 5:28 am:

I thought you would send me email!..

Nandya
Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 3:23 pm:

तसे नव्हे हो . I urge you to share your wisdom here itself. आपण लिहिलेले दहा वाचतील, अन त्यातल्या तिघांना बोध होईल... still works out better than a one on one . तुम्ही टाकत रहा आम्ही वेचत बसतो.

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Soultrip
Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:39 am:

Nandu, you think a lot! (Hope action follows after the deep thinking!..Just kidding!)
Seriously, to me, you look a bit confused about the objectives of doing MBA. In my previous post, I had already talked about Dhirubhai/Nirma king Karasnbhai/Bill Gates etc etc making Millions/Billions without a damn MBA thing! (Why, they were not even gaduates)& you still give me example of your friend who owns a truck business! ...Hello!?

You seem to be possessed with changing the world, influencing others (reading Carnegie a lot?? :-)

etc etc. , you are enquiring satirically whether an MBA can do this all and you also ask me numbers/ratios/stats to prove it! Hello! Give me a break here :-)

I understand your noble intentions (of changing the world etc)Rather, you are more of a spiritual, left-brain person, who needs a lot of numbers/data to support decision-making process! You seem to be averse to risk-taking! (For the record, I had left a nice job in a MNC to pursue MBA)

The long and short of 'gyan' is this: I (& neither should any other B-school grad)never claimed that MBAs can change the world, or they make a positive difference to others lives etc etc. If you are young (i.e. below 25), your priorities are mixed up. There is nothing wrong in aspiring a starting salary as a cool $150K (& yes, a good B-school grad does get it. You must have read the news of IIMB/IIMA doing a killing) Mouthing platitudes like'changing the world/self-actualization/doing positive difference to other's lives' etc doesn't take time then. & people do belive such remarks more if you are holding a job paying >150K in US/UK/S'pore. That's the real world! (Don't you know the old/remix song "The whole thing is that's a bhaiyaa..sabse badaa rupaih!" So, get real!!
If you have missed the bus (of joining a good B-school), then your continuous grudge against B-school grads might be taken as a case of sour-grapes.
In short; don't think too much, think of your own personal betterment, don't worry about changing world. Let somebody else handle that task (like our Miss Universe/World beauties parroting in every beauty contest) while you are raking in dollars. On the other hand, OK, if you don't belive in MBA, fine. Don' do it. Just start a business (like your friend), make millions (or, change the world) Who is stopping you? (& yes, you can have a last laugh at ALL MBAs, yours truly included :-)

I doubt if you could get a more honest answer than this in this world full of hypocrites!

If you need any personal counselling, pl. feel free to email me/meet me. (& I'm not saying this in any condescending manner buddy!)

Cheers!

P.S. - If you won't mind, pl. let me know your age, education & current job. You can email it.

Nandya
Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:30 pm:

When a dialogue goes haywire, either the writer is an idiot or the reader is :-)

Since it would be wrong of me to presume you are one, I accept the crown.

<<<I understand your noble intentions (of changing the world etc)Rather, you are more of a spiritual, left-brain person, who needs a lot of numbers/data to support decision-making process! You seem to be averse to risk-taking! (For the record, I had left a nice job in a MNC to pursue MBA) >>>

This conversation is going in the typical divertive way when reason does not remain a precedence. Quite entertaining, nonetheless. I am not trying to ridicule you or anyone, or any profession, or any qualification. Kindly do not get me wrong. I do not have a grudge against anyone from a business school. I honestly do not believe that I do not believe in MBA's. If I am pestering you, let me know and I wont bother you; but please don't go on this toddler-sque "my dad is stronger than yours" way of argument. I am not trying to change your perspective on anything. I am not trying to preach anything. In fact it is the other way round. I am trying to visualize your perspective since I find it amusing. So, as you state, lets get real.

I seriously doubt how many have benefited from the Dale Carnegie books except Mr. Carnegie himself. Quite a businessman :-)

This discussion started off on a point (or conclusion) made by you, which expressed the lack of Marathi people's enthusiasm in gathering business degrees; the reasons quoted by yourself being either inaptitude, or ignorance. This, coming from a person claiming to have spent around 10 years in the 'industry' , and with 'top notch' exposure, came as a surprise. Perhaps we live in different worlds. I was hoping to see on what basis did you arrive at the conclusion. The answer never came.

The question was, why should everyone become a manager. What is the reason behind your thought that a Manager belongs to a superior caste in the chain ? The answer never came.

The question was, what is the quality of the degree in business ? Is there a definite link or trend that people with stamps of conformity from business-schools make good leaders? Or is Management (read as Leadership in this context) a natural instinct? The answer, we both agreed was, no, there is no such trend. So my question thereof was, why would one have this attitude that since one is a business school graduate from the #5 ranked school in India and currently a Manager/Leader in a top-notch position, he is ‘way ahead’ of his ex-engineering colleagues. I asked what were your parameters of evaluation ? Is it just how much one is worth? Don’t you think it is vain to have this as the scale of evaluation. The answer hasn’t come as yet.

I do not know why, but you seem to have gotten an impression that I have noble intentions of changing the world. I have to blame my poor communication skills, again, the idiot that I am. I am certainly not into the ‘changing the world’ business since taking care of my own self is a chore in itself :-)

Moreover, I am not challenging anyone on theirs. Kindly do not misinterpret the issue as “my” idea, that an MBA graduate should look to change the world. There is enough mess in the world as is. This also brings us to the "Sabse baDa rupaiyya” and the advice you have generously offered thereof.

I do not know about the recent evolution in the scrutiny methodology of business schools in India, but in the USA a candidate aspiring to go to a business school has to submit anywhere from six to a dozen essays addressing specific queries that the school poses. At least 3 to 4 such essays are specifically aimed at getting the candidates views on MBA as a leadership tool; MBA as a tool for social benefit; MBA as a tool for cultural benefit and community value. These essays make or break the application. If one were to give these “sub se baDa rupaiyya” answers there, then the “ruppaiyya” would be a distant goal indeed. A business school admits either the best bluff masters, or it admits people whom they feel would make use of the degrees awarded by that organization in a way the organization interprets. Kellogg gives admission to candidates whom they feel should change the world after being empowered with an MBA approval. (Change the world is not my concept even by a long shot). Personal gain is an obvious incentive behind taking an MBA program, but the school wants the candidate to be more than just a ‘personal’ person. Which is why I used the terms “Manager” and “Leader” loosely, since the school’s interpretation of a Manager (a person armed with their degree) is not just a person looking to earn more and exercise/manage people; but someone who can lead, direct and change (while simultaneously getting rich). If Kellogg is foolish in giving considerable weightage to the social value of their MBA, then one would indeed say that anyone who is on just a personal quest of fortune making, should do an MBA. When I asked you what difference had you made by being a product of a top business school, I was asking what you feel is your social value/potential. Apparently I managed to offend you on that.

I asked, that despite the impression that the “Manager” is an elite breed, the ‘guys who run the show’, do you have an idea of how many ineffective “Managers” are lolling around in the corners of corporates ? After 10 years in the corporate world, I thought you would have a perspective on that. I was hoping to see if we concur. Perhaps you didn’t care to answer that one for me.

I still think I haven’t broken the boundaries of etiquette on this BB. I would still like get some pending answers, if you have the time and the inclination, of course. Mind you, I have never once asked you where you work, what you earn, what your age is, and what your greatest achievement is. That is quite unnecessary too, since I do not have any curiosity in you as a person. It is the thought process, the conclusions coming from a person who has spent a decade in this trade that amuse/interest me.

In all honestly I do not see you as a counselor. :-)

I do not see why you insist on me as being needful of counseling from you. This is a simple discussion and I am trying to figure out some why’s and how’s. Instead of sending emails to each other, lets talk in the open. Perhaps you may enlighten/mentor a few here, perhaps it may encourage more participants, perhaps we may get a bigger discussion. Wasn’t that the basic intent anyways?

<<< you can have a last laugh at ALL MBAs, yours truly included >>> A good “manager” would rarely come to this in the 6th or 7th dialogue in a conversation. Or perhaps I do have this inane knack of bringing out the worst in people. My bad. :-)

Lalu
Monday, March 27, 2006 - 6:52 pm:

हो, हो. काय बोलायचे ते इथेच बोला. interesting चर्चा चालू आहे. आमच्या ज्ञानात भर पडत आहे.
btw, I am one of the 'chosen handfuls' here passed out of SU (Shivaji University.)~D

Maanus
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 5:04 am:

mods, before this talk goes to more than 25 message; I think we should move it in V&C under some topic.

Its interesting debate.

Soultrip
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 7:00 am:

ताकाला जाऊन भान्डे लपवण्याचा हा प्रकार आहे! ...
Now I get it!! What you want is good reasoning (read, dope) to be used in essays for seeking admission to US B-schools! Great!! Honesty would have been a better policy, at least in this case!

Nandu - This BB was NEVER meant to discuss pros & cons or why MBA etc.etc but was/is meeting place of those folks passed out of SIBM!

Moderator_9
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 6:57 pm:

please refrain from making personal attacks. कृपया इथे फ़क्त विषयाशी संबन्धित लिहा. एक मेकांवर चिखलफ़ेक करण्याचे टाळा.

Mumbhai
Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 6:47 am:

वो soultrip, येवढी मराठी आणि महाराष्ट्रीयन लोकांबद्दल आत्मियता आहे तर उगाच कशाला विंग्रजी फाडताय, मराठीत लिहा की; का MBA केले आणि मॅनेजर झालात म्हणुन मराठी लिहायची लाज वाटते? . तुमचे आदर्श असलेले लुंगीवाले मॅनेजर त्यांचा 'तम तम मंदी' भेटला तर कोणत्या भाषेत बोलतो सांगा. इथेच तुमच्यात आणि त्यांच्यात फरक आहे.
तुमच्या सगळ्या पोष्ट वाचुन असे लक्षात आले की हा सगळा वाद घालण्याचा तुमचा उद्देश तुम्ही किती मोठ्या पदावर आहात आणि तुम्हाला लै पैसे मिळतात., तसे कुठेतरी मॅनेजर आहात इ. इ. सांगणे आहे हे कळण्याकरीता कोणत्याही B-school ची आवशक्ता नाही. असो चालु द्या तुमचे ...

Soultrip
Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 9:11 am:

Mumbhai - Tasa naahee re mitra! Frankly, I take inordinate amount of time in typing Marathi using the maayboli editor, so I use English to express my thoughts. (Some day I might post a couple of 'charolis' on Gulmohar :-)

No ulterior motives here! No, not even of hinting that I hold a high post, or make loads of money...No way!! I never imagined that somebody would deduce that conclusion from my writing. In a way, this is proving to be a cathartic experience for me, so thanks!

Our debate began by my candid observation that there are lesser Marathi students in B-schools in India. (No, I never claimed to have any concrete data to prove this hypothesis,nor have I any inclination to search the numbers. Nandu was asking me stats persistently as if I run ORG/MARG/Nielsen companies :-)

But you don't need to eat the whole rice to check whether it is properly cooked or not (crude translation of Marathi proverb :-)

. One needs to have a look at the crowd in Pune B-schools these days. There are scores of North Indians pursuing MBA. I was particulary saddened to see literally handful Marathi students in my own alma mater!

..(While writing this post, for a split second, I felt like 'Benare' in 'Shantata Court Chalu Ahe!)

Arch - Isn't your comment preposterous?

Chalo, take it easy! Happy Gudi Paadva guys!!

Sushya
Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 7:13 pm:

>>>Our debate began by my candid observation that there are lesser Marathi students in B-schools in India.

Soultrip, I agree to what you are saying. I passed out last year from one of the premier B-school in India. I have also observed that there are lesser Marathi students in B-schools.

but 1 candid question, have you ever tried to change this?

I read your posts above, it sounds that you have already made your opinion.

What's the use of cribbing that marathi maaNus is lagging in persuing higher education, especially MBA. You are happily settled (or at least spent 7-odd years) in USA & now you think you are free to CRIB. If you really feel bad about this, please go ahead & try changing it yourself. I am sure with the "senior leadership position" to support you, you can definitely deliver goods. Why don't you try this? If you can't change (or at least sincerely try to change) please don't blame anyone or anything.

As I see this, there is not enough awareness & buy-in about MBA in Maharashtra overall (if I may say so). Please try to do something about that instead of putting posts here. This will serve nothing.

Please have the guts to make things happen, noone is going to remember or respect your posts, but people will definitely remember if you do something.

& since you have said that you passed out from the institute #5, just for your records, I passed out from the institute that is ranked #3.

& I am sure you must have realised by now that it doesn't really matter what you have achieved in life & at what position you are in your company, people are not interested in listening to your cribs.

Please think over this.
I apologise if I have said anything offensive, I never had the intentions of hurting anyone here.

& yes, I would have prefered to write all this in Marathi, but I was not sure whether you will understand it, that's why I had to write it in English.

आज MBA झालो म्हणून ना मी माझी मातृभाषा विसरलो आहे ना मला माझ्या मातृभाषेतून लिहायची लाज वाटत

Ajay
Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 4:11 am:

पहिल्यांदाच सांगतोय, मला तुम्हा कोणा इतकाच या विषयावर लिहायचा अधिकार नाही. त्यामुळे पटलं नाही, तर लहान आहे म्हणून सोडून द्या. भारतातल्या ३ किंवा ५ व्या संस्थेत मी गेलो नाही. म्हणजे हुषार तर नाहीच (बालवर्गात नापास झाल्यामुळे पहिलीत १ वर्ष उशीरा गेलो.) माझे म्यानेजमेंटचे शिक्षण अजून चालूच आहे म्हणजे मी तुम्हाला ज्युनीअर. (आणि कधितरी ते संपले तर घरचे एकदाचं गंगेत, आपलं चार्ल्स् मधे, घोडं न्हायलं म्हणून हत्तीवरून साखर वाटतील.)

माझा मुद्दा आहे जेंव्हा "अमुकतमुक गोष्टीत मराठी लोक कमी आहेत" अशी चर्चा सुरू असते तेंव्हा एका गोष्टीकडे दुर्लक्ष होतं. आपण मराठी विरुद्ध उत्तर भारतीय किंवा दक्षिण भारतीय अशी तुलना करतो. म्हणजे पंजाब मध्यप्रदेश, हरियाणा, उत्तर प्रदेश, बिहार, राजस्थान, ओरिसा सगळे एकत्र विरुद्ध महाराष्ट्र किंवा कर्नाटक, आंध्रप्रदेश, तामीळ्नाडू, केरळ एकत्र विरुद्ध महाराष्ट्र. पण per capita किंवा दर हजारी हरियानातल्या लोकांपैकी किती MBA करतात (किंवा जो काय तुलनेचा विषय असेल) आणि महाराष्ट्रात दर हजारी किती लोक MBA करतात अशी तुलना केली जात नाही. ७ राज्यांची लोकसंख्या एका राज्यापेक्षा जास्त असणार आणि एकूण MBA करणारे लोकही जास्त असणार. आणि त्या राज्यांमधे चांगल्या संस्था कमी असल्या तर ते महाराष्ट्रातल्या संस्थांमधे येणार.
४८० दशलक्ष लोक हिन्दी बोलतात आणि ७० दशलक्ष मराठी. त्यामुळे हिन्दीभाषीक MBA हे मराठीभाषीक MBA पेक्षा ७ पट असले तर ते नैसर्गिकच नाही का?
थोडक्यात हे संख्याशास्त्राच्या नियमानुसार होते आहे त्यात मराठी दृष्टीकोनाचा किंवा संस्कृतीचा काहीही संबंध नाही असे माझे बापड्याचे मत आहे.

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"Can you do addition?" the White Queen asked. "What's one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one and one?" "I don't know," said Alice. "I lost count."
- Lewis Carroll,
Through the Looking Glass

Ekanath
Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 6:00 am:

moodi
धन्यवाद. नेहमी सभासदाची माहिती वाचून मगच लिहितो. यावेळेस राहून गेले.

भारतीय संस्थांच्या अपामानाची नोंद घेतली नाही, हे खेदकारक आहे.

Svsameer
Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 7:59 am:

एकनाथ
मला तरी असे जाणवले नाही की आर्च ने समस्त भारतीय संस्थांचा अपमान केला आहे. SoulTrip च्या लिहीण्यात असा उल्लेख आहे की तो भारतातील कुठल्यातरी मोठ्या कंपनीत उच्च पदावर नोकरी करत आहे. आणि त्याचे English वाचून आर्च ने हा प्रश्ण विचारला असावा

Soultrip
Friday, March 31, 2006 - 5:21 am:

Sushya: First of all, had you read my previous postings thoroughly, you would have understood the fact that I'm not settled in the US; rather, I happily returned to India after 7 years.
Secondly, I do try my 2-cents contribution in creating the awareness at least amongst close friends/family circle
Lastly, I clearly wrote in my previous post about my proficiency in Marathi. Rather, I'm glad to inform that my poems have been published in the 'Nivadak Teen' by Granthali Prakashan'. It is only that I do take more time in Marathi typing, so I revert to English. "Sudnyasee jaast saangane na lage!"
Ajay: I agree with your point. Your maturity is way ahead of your age! I'm humbled by your education as well!
Svsameer/Arch: Many times,in the heat of moment (& due the restriction of writing in this small posting window; add to it the lesser time at disposal for such activities) we end up writing what we really would not have intended to do so (i.e. wrong choice of phrases, typos etc) Certainly not to defend my English knowledge (yes, I learned the basics in a Marathi medium school in a small town in Marathwada), but yours truly's articles have been published in India Post, India West, Maharashtra Herald & rediff.com & have been appreciated as well.

Note for moderator: I neither created this BB, nor titled it. FYI, the right spelling is 'Valuable' & not 'Valueable' as you titled it. I didn't want to point out this typo, but some critic may allege that it was my mistake! Even if this BB is to be closed, I would like to see the corrected title.

Admin
Friday, March 31, 2006 - 6:13 am:

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