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Milya
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 2:41 pm: | 
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shahana : ek vel tumache roopak barobar dharale apan (jari te patat nahiye farse...) tari tumhi pan kay karat ahat... amhi oradtoy avaj kiti changala ahe ani tumhi amhala oradtay are tumhi nuste oradat kay basalay tya manasaala vachava.. pan shevati tumhihi tyala vachavanyasathi kahich karat nahiye mug hya vadacha upayogach kay..?
ani dusare mhanje ithe je dad det ahet te pratyaksha kahich kruti karat nahit ase tumhi kashavarun mhanu shakta te hi please explain kara
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Asami
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 4:17 pm: |
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Shahana Ekadum zakkas udaharan dilas baba. Pan tu je kahi conclusion kadhlas tyaadhi kamit kami vicharayache tari hotes ki Mala ka mhanayche hote te ....
Pahili Goshta Me jenva mhanalo ki "shevatache kadve vachtana mazya angawar shahare ubhe rahtatatch..." Tenva me kavichya bhavnanmule mhanalo navto..Tya vakyanchi ji rachna ahey tyala uddeshoon mhanalo hoto. Purely shabdana uddeshon Bhavarthala nahi.
Dusri goshta he gaane Sinhasan picturemadhe vaparale gele aahe ani not in my wildest dreams I can say Sinhasan has anything to say about performing about nation. It is all about polotical gimmics and tricks and manipulations. Gaane fakt ek gaane mhanoon yete. Ani tehi asthani. Period. Kavitecha udesh etc je kahi ahey te tumchya interpretation var ahey.
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Storvi
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 5:23 pm: |
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asami, exactly the point I am trying to make.
sahitya he sahitya ahe, ani tyala daad dene yogyach ahe..
Shivay,gaane, he deshabhaktipar, asel, tar tyache kautuk karnaryanni deshbhaktipar kahitari kelech pahije nahi tar kautuk karu naye ase mhanne chukiche ahe. mhanje deshbhaktipar sahitya, vangmay vachun tyala daad denyacha adhikar, fakta deshseva karnaryannach ahe ka? ani shivay, deshaseva mhanje kay? I agree with Milya, amhi deshseve sathi kahi karat nahi ase kase mhanu shakta tumhi?
ani dusra ase, ki jo manus netane matadan karto, to dekhil deshasevach karat asto. deshsevet pran zokun dene, kinva swa la visrun deshseva karne, he sarvottam asel, pun te ekmev navhe. aapla gavli, dhobi, pratyek jun deshkarya karat asto. Tumchya logic pramane sainik sodun konich deshbhakta asu shakat nahi asa arthabodh hoto...
mazhya mate, ase sahitya vachun yogya daad denarahi, kalvalun uthnarahi deshbhaktach ahe.
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Shahana
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 8:01 pm: |
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maze maat aahe ki je hi kavita aplyala karayala sangate 'are punha ayushyanchya petava mashali...'
('mashali' ,panatya,menbattya kinva kandil navhe, kharicha vaata yethe kahihi upayogacha nahi!) te apan karu shakat nahi, ani mhanun ya kavitela kharikhuri daad denyacha adhikar deshakarata aplya ayushyachya mashali petavanaryanach aahe! itar jananchi daad keval bhashela aahe,karan kavitene dilelya avahanlala tyancha kahich pratisaad nahi,
(jo pratisaad kavila apekshit aahe) ani mahnun ashi shabdik daad mhanaje nivaal bhampakpana aahe ani var 'amhi daad deto' ase mhanun swata:chi fasavanuk karanehi aahe.
asami : 'he gaane Nivadung' madhil aahe ya tuazya vakyavar mala hasave ki radave te kalat nahiye!
by Knuth,by Comer, by Rivest, by Kruskal, by Prim!!! arre Nivadung ani ya ganyacha aashay yancha kahitari sambandha aahe ka ?
babare, he gaane eka aitshay gajalelya 'Sinhasan' ya marathi chitrapatatil aahe. digdarshak :Jabbar Patel ani kalakar Arun Sarnaik,Dr. Shriraam Lagu (and I'm not sure) Nilu Phule.Ha chitrapat Arun Sadhu yanchya 'Mumbai, dinanka...' var adharit aahe ani deshabhakti,dhyeyavaad ani rajkaran yancih baithak asalelya ya chitrapatat he gaane atishay samarpakritya samavale aahe!
not in my wildest dreams would I have imagined ki kuni ya ganyacha sambandha Nivadung shi jodel...
mala tar ajun kaay bolave tech kalat nahiye!!!
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Asami
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 8:36 pm: |
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Kahi bolu nakos...I accept ki me chukiche bolalo. Me Suresh Bhattanchya "Kenva tari pahate" shi tyachi gafalat keli. Pan tarihi tuza mhanane etaranwar bandhil ka asave ki hya ganyala daad denyacha adhikaar fakt kharyakhurya deshbhktalach ahey ? To kontya tagdine deshbhakti mojnaar ? Je deshbhaktisaathi mele nahit tyanchi deshbhakti kami ani je mele tyanchi kami ?
Tuzya logicne mhanje "Malmali tarunya maaze" kinva "Malvoon taak deep" sarkhya kavitana daad fakt jeevapaad prem kelelyanich dyaychi asa kahitaree dhedgujri prakar hoil..
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Limboni
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 8:40 pm: |
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asamya shahaNa mhaNatoy te kharay. te gaaN nivadungmadhala naahiye.
mala watat, shahaNa, tuzi bhasha jara nako tithe kadak aahe. deshakaryat tula kinva koNa 'xyz' maNasala apekshit asaNara wata sarwsamanya maNus uchalit naahi hi tuzi vyatha asu shakel he mi samaju shakate. paN tyacha sambandh tu kavita & kavitela dad deNyashi ka jodtoyas te mala kaLat naahi. udya lata mangeshkarana jaun vicharashil ka ki tumhi 'e mere vatan ki logo' jya bhavanetun mhaNata ti bhavana kharich asu shakat naahi karaN tumhi kuthali deshaseva kelit?'?
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Limboni
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 8:42 pm: |
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asami aapali takkar zali. aso.
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Ajjuka
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 8:48 pm: |
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ok shahana,
tumhala hi kavita avadate ka?
ani ti avadat asel tar tashi avadanycha kinwaa ya kavitela changle mhananyacha adhikar tumhala tumachya kuthlya karyamule milala he sangal ka?
nahi ekhadya thor manasachi gath padli he kalun aamhi dhanya hou. ani tumachya anubhavane aamchya dnyanyat bhar padel mhanun vicharle.
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Storvi
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 9:35 pm: |
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ok people cool it!!
ek tar limboni mhante tase, don veglya muddyanchi gaflat hot ahe. ani mala donhi var bolaychay..
kavitela daad denyacha sambandh deshbhaktancha abhav yachyashi jodta yet nahi. ani kavila kuthli "daad" abhipret ahe he kuni tharavla? Suresh bhat tumchya kanat yeun bolle hote ka?
Shivay ithe ayushyachya mashali petavnyacha arthach vegla kadhla jatoy....
ayushyachya mashali petavne mhanje kahitari prerana dayak karane, kinva vegle karne(arthat deshasathich) mug te kahihi aso. ani kharicha vata uchlun upyog nahi ase mhanuch kase shakta tumhi? mungyanchi jamat akkhi fakta swatahcha karya karun jagte. kuthehi samajrachana ashich aste. pratyekane netane, kartavya buddhine, kartutva par padne hi deshseva nahi tar ankhi kay ahe??
parvach me eikle, ki mumbai madhe kahi taxi drivers ni kargil-returned sainikanche bhade ghetle nahi. yatun tyanche deshprem disat nahi ka? ani apan asha gestures na olkhu shaklo nahi tar hi apli chuk nahi ka? Bhale tyanni kahi kele nasel, pun pran panala lavnarya tya sainikanna aadar bhav tari darshavla tyanni...
thembe-thembe tale sache ase mhatlele apan itkya sahaja sahaji visaru shakto ka?
aani mala tar vatte, ki kavichya kavitene je sfuran aanle saglyanchya manat, tyavar tumchya aslya tikene virjan padnar nahi ka?
tyamule, either ways, kavila ji abhipret daad hoti ti milalich nahi, mug bhale ti rachne baddal aso, kinva mug tya magchya utkat bhavane baddal aso..
ani tumchech mhanne pudhe chalvayche, tar aple rashtra-geet sarvanni mhanu naye, pratizahi mhanu naye.., jyanni rashtrasathi kahi kele nahi, ani savedanashil honyapalikade kahi karnar nahi tyanni aplya dhwajwandanalahi ubhe rahu naye, asech na?
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Milya
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 10:31 pm: |
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ani hyach dhartivar tumhi asehi mhanaal ki Suresh Bhat hi dhongi ahet karan tyanihi deshsevesaathi pran vechalele nahiyet tyani ashya kavita karuch nayet... mazhyamate limboni mhanatiy tasa tumhala je sangayachey tyacha sur thoda chukalay
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Ajjuka
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| | Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 10:52 pm: |
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milya mazya tondache vakya uchalales re.
malahi asech mhanayache hote. te kavi mhanun great aahet pan ek manus mhanun kahi mahiti aahe ka tyanchya baddal? BB var jahirpane lihine yogya nahi pan tyanchya samparkatil vyaktinkadun kadhi changle aikayala nahi milale mala.
mag ata tyanna ashi kavita karayacha adhikar nahi ki kay?
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Shahana
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| | Friday, March 10, 2000 - 12:07 am: |
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mala vatate ki tumha konalahi hi kavita kalalich nahiye.kavitetale kahi shabda vachun ek dhusar chitra manat ubhe rahile aahe tumchya ani tya chitrane vidirna honya aivaji tumhi udya marat tya chitrache kautuk kartay!
prtyek olicha artha ulgadun dakhavayala faar vel ani shram kharchi padtil, mhanun pahilya char oli
(usha:kaal ... mashali) yavar bolato.
Bhartala nukatech swatantyra milale aahe to kaal kalpanet ana.attaparyant sahan kelelya pratyek du:khache mul partantrya aahe,swatantrya milale ki nidan aplyala potbhar khayala milel, char dhad kapade miltil ani nivara milel asa Bharatatlya samanya janatecha bhabada ashavaad hota.sarva roganvar Rambaan ilaaj mhanaje swatantrya ashi tyanchi dharana hoti ani tyamule jenvha aplyala swatantrya milale tenvha ata hi du:khe chutakisarshi nahishi hotil ase tyana vatale. kuthehi vashilebaaji/bhrashtachar honar nahi,pratyekala tyachya gunavattenusar kaam milel,
nivadun dilele pratinidhi janatechya soyinkade laksha puravatil ase lokanna vatale ani tyamule swatantrya milale mhnajech tya du:kha rupi ratrichi pahat (usha:kaal) hot aahe, ata sampurn sukhacha divas ujadayla kitisa avadhi ? ase lokanna vatale.
pan lavkarach he sarva bhabade ashavaad, adarsha dhulila milale... aplyach lokaani apale shoshan suru kele (Pu. La. n cha 'Eka Gandhi Topi cha Pravas' ha apratim lekh asach ek 'taho' aahe!).ani yalach kavi 'kaal-ratra' mhant aahe.kaal-ratra yacha arth samjun ghya.hi sadhisudhi ratra nahi...
ya ratrila shevat naahi, karan 'kaal-ratra' cha arthach ayuyshyatali shevatchi ratra asa aahe.tyamule hi ratra nahishi honya aadhich sarva namashesh hotil, tenvha jar marayachech asel tar pratikaar karun mara... ayushyachya 'mashali' petava ase kavi mhanat aahe.ata 'mashali' cha artha samjun ghya.dhana dhana petanari mashal dolyasamor aana.swata: purn jalnaari, pan tyach barobar andharala jaalnaari, andharacha naash karanari.punha ekada swatantrya yuddha suru kara, apalyala gulaam karanrya ya swakiyanviruddha dusara ladha dya ani tyanche samrajya ukhadun taka ase kavi mhanato.
ata he 'kharicha vata' ne kase shakya aahe ? yala mashalich pahijet ani tyadekhil asankhya.tarach kahitari asha aahe!
ata ya sandarbhat hi kavite lihili astana (ani tyach sandarbhat ti kavita samjun ghene garajeche astana) tumhi kaay kaay boltay ? kuni mhantay Suresh Bhat manus mhanu changale nahit, kuni apala
'kharicha vaata' ha mudda sodayalach tayar nahi, kuni Lata Mangeshkaranvar ghasarale, kuni mazich deshseva kadhtey, tar kuni 'Malmali tarunya' ani pranaybhavana yavar utarale...
... arre vishay kaay, kavita kaay, mi sangayacha prayatna kartoy te kaay, tumhi tyavar boltay te kaay... lihinya adhi jara vichar kara ki! tumhala kalat kase nahi ki hi kavita purna pane vegali aahe ? purvi shahir lok povade rachun ani gaun lokan madhe chaitanya nirmaan karayache... Tatya Savarkarancha 'Dhanya Shivaaji to ranagaaji...' aikun lok kahitari karayala prerit vhayache... te
'ya povadyatali saundaryasthale','ya povadyatali yamake','Savarkaranche itar povade','Savarkaranche sahitya gun','Savarkaranche povade ganarya lokanchya hetu baddal shanka' ashi fukat ani kahihi produce na karu shakanari charcha nahi karat basayache...
jaude, mich junya jamanyatil vattoy mala.mi je mhantale aahe te tumhala kunala kalel ase kahi mala vatat nahi!
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