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Chandya Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:48 pm:      BaartIyaaMnaI [traMnaa racist mhNaavao ho navalaca. AapNa AayauYyaat ekdahI jaaitBaodÊ Qama-Baod kolaa naahI ikMvaa tsaa ivacaarhI manaat Aalaa naahI ho p`%yaokanao svat : cyaa manaalaa ivacaaÉna phavao.

Moodi Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:13 pm:      Chandya !! Sorry are yaach navane lihave lagteya. Tuze mhanane mala manapasun patle tari ek sangte. Mazya aayushyat tari me kunacha jativarun dwesh kela naahi.Ulat mazya maheri Marvadi-Bhayya-Gujrathi lok buildingmadhye asalyane tya sarvanshi changlech vagle.Pan kay karnaar ya lokani maarthi lokana tyanchya khaya-pinyavarun, rahanimanavarun naave thevnyas suruvaat keli na te asahya zale. Mazya building madhalya mulila( Gujrathi) sahaj Bhondlyakarata bolavale tar tine khup tonde vedivakdi karun naave thevali.Ka? aapn yaancha Garbyacha dhangaddhinga mumbai-punyat ratrabhar sahan kartoch na? Ithalya samajachi(uk/europe) shista-vyavhaar-swacchhata malahi pattat/aavadtaat pan tyanchya najaret aani vagnyat dwesh pahun nakose hote. vaiyaktik khare bolu naye pan jatine bramhan mhanun itar jatichya maitrinikadun khup tomane soslet.Pan kadhi tyanchi jaat kadhali naahi.velevar madadtch keli. pratyekacha anubhav vegala asato he titkech khare.Pan manusaki naavachi kahi chhej aahe ki naahi?

Karadkar Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:43 pm:      mauDIÊ tuJao ho jauna 03 cao 5.13 pm cao pÜsT caa^la saoMTrXaI ksao saMbaMiQat Aaho ho kLlao naahI. tU sarL sarL [qao gaujjauÊ maarvaaDIÊ Bayyao Asaa ]llaoK krto Aahosa to ksaoÆ Kro saaMgaayacao tr malaa ekuNaca (a BB caa ]_oXa samajat nahIyao. British laÜknaI Indian-bristish citizens naa british ka mhNaavaoÆ AaiNa %yaa BaartIyaaMnaI trI ka Apoxaa kravaI. Aaplyaa BaartIya vaMXaacaa kahI AiBamaana naahI kaÆ AaiNa Baaritya laÜk trI kQaI %yaaMnaa Aplyat samaavauna GaoNyaacaa p`ya%na krtÜ ka ? %yaaMcaa gaÜro laÜk Asaca ]llaoK naahI ka krt ? paikstanaÊ mausalmaanaÊ kaLoÊ gaÜroÊ tolagauÊ mad`asaI AXaI BaaXaa AapNa naohoimaca naahI ka vaaprt. [qao maI kuNaalaa duKvaayacyaa hotunao ilaiht naaihyao. pNa p`%yaok naaNyaalaa naohomaIca 2 baajau Asatat. ekaMgaI ivacaar kÉna ksao caalaola. Aaplyaa vaNaa-caaÊ jaatIcaa jaÉr AiBamaana baaLgaavaa pNa dusaáyaaMcaa WoXa kÉna ksao caalaola. vaNa-WoXa AaiNa jaatIBaod f> maaNasaaMmaQalao AMtr vaaZvatat. It's very easy to point fingures. Treat everybody else the way you like to be treated. ho laxaat zovalao paihjao.

Moodi Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:56 pm:      Karadkar. Maza mudda call centre pasun suru zala he khare.Karan tya lokana ucchar, bhasha etc. varun barech sahan karave lagale.US khup motha desh aahe ga pan jara ukmadhye yeun bagha.Asian lok ithe kay sahan karat aahet tyacha hi anubhav ghya mhanaje kalel. Officebaherche jag mhanaje nusate clubs kinva pubs navhe tar aajubaajuche vatavaran aahe.Tevha jastach janiv hote. chandyane jo prashna vicharlay to ekada neet vaach mhanaje kalel ki me Bhayya-Gujarathincha ullekh ka kelay.Chandyachya postnusar bhartiyach aapapassat jati-bhed kartaat, mahanun tyani aatmaparikshan karave he tyache mhanane thik aahe.Pan tyatun me maze anubhav lihile tar vait vatun ghenyasarkhe kay? sorry dear ithe ratriche 12 vajalet me zopayala jatey udya bolu.

Karadkar Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:28 pm:      I never said that it never happens. My point is, if you can't tolerate people of different religion, cast, or geographical area in your own country then how do u expect to get same treatment from people from other countries. I agree that I never lived in any other country or for that matter in any other state than Maharashtra in India or no where other California in USA. May be that's my disadvantage. But I strongly feel that you should behave with other the way you like to be treated. You can't change every person that you interact with but once you start changing yourself you can see the difference in other people's behaviour. For me - this is the end .. I am not going to contribute to this discussion. Admin and Mods - if you think my posts are irrelevant please feel free to delete thoes.

Ninavi Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:57 pm:      AhÜÊ ekdma ho kaya maafI idlaigarI vagaOro. malaa laajavataya tumhI. [qao AapNa dÜna GaTka ima~%vaacyaa naa%yaanao GaalavatÜ. AaiNa maO~It samajaUna GaoNaM AsatM tsaMca icaDvaNaMhI. jao pTola to Gyaa AaiNa naahI pTNaar to ³]Dt´ jaa}Vat. AsaÜ. maaJaahI tsaa hotU navhtaÊ pNa maI tumacyaa Baavanaa duKavalyaa AsatIla tr xmasva.

Maitreyee Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 11:05 am:      Why What's Good for India Is Good for U.S. Outsourcing च्या नावाने गळा कढणारे सूर हल्ली बदललेत का? या ओळी पहा! ...If China is the bad drunk at a party where a lot of liquor is being served, then India is the muscular guy in the corner quaffing mineral water. He looks like a good person to get to know. ..

Maanus Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 4:08 pm:      was reading this Apple pull out of India on slashdot.org and came across following two comments Comment 1 --------------------------------------------------- This is slightly offtopic, but let me explain the state of affairs on Indian Software Services companies. This is not about product companies which operate here. I guess I'll be the only Indian in the world who'd wish this outsourcing boom would settle. Why? Because we have contributed nothing to computing, technically or in research. This is more about the attitude of Indian software services companies. Infosys, TCS and the like, relegating writing software to a BPO styled operation. Cut and Paste mechanics, unhealthy and ugly code. 95% of coders here plain suck. I really hope software dev automation gets a breakthrough, so these guys lose their jobs (for which they are not qualified anyway). These companies are surely helping India with jobs, but they have done _nothing_ for computing. (How many Indian Open Source products do you know!)No contribution to open source, and full scale leeching. Meanwhile, revenue is upwards of $2billion, profits $600 million plus. Yet. Damn, I dont wanna think about it. Btw, this is not a problem with Indian techies, there are so many of them working in research (abroad and in India) who are really good. & Comment 2 -------------------------------------------------- I am an Indian. I agree with the observation but disagree with the generalization. I lot of people I knew in India were indeed strongly oriented to the MS tool chain (not even Borland). I, on the other hand have tried just about every major programming language and most programming paradigms. To put in context, I do NOT have a CS major. I am a physician who programs/sys-admins as a GRA around 20hrs/week to pay for a PhD in the US. But I would have still programmed as a hobby (and have for about 14 years now) even if I did not have this need. My reasons for this behavior are ... 1.) Most Indian developers see programming as a lucrative career. So it is strictly business for most of them. Most devs of this kind don't go home and continue to program for "fun". It's work. If you can't sell your Haskell skills, no point in acquiring them. 2.) The educational institutions have evolved this way too. Most devs learn programming, not from college (even if they have a CS major) but from independent training centers that train you in job focused skills but not the whole "Computer Science" theory. The training is strictly main stream IT (to emphasize again - not CS). I on the other hand, am a geek, self-taught, learned programming for the sake of programming and even lectured a few Masters classes on Software Engineering and HCI. 3.) Finally the disagreement. Why generalize on Indians?. Now that I am in US, every non-geek programmer I have seen here is not much different either and is just as hopelessly married to his language. However, US citizens tend to follow their hearts when it comes to profession. The economy allows it. So geek / non-geek programmer ratio is more favorable. In India, you don't have that luxury. People follow the money (for good reasons). They do work hard at the skills but you can only get so much into it if you are not inherently passionate about it. If you want good Indian programmers, scope them out and do your own interviews and select them just like you would locally (perhaps only possible if you have an Indian branch for your company). That outsourcing corporation will not cater your non-generic needs.

Maanus Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 4:22 pm:      TCS, Infy, Satyam have really created a bad image of Indian developer.... at least from my personal expriance in all NYC downtown companies. I myself remember sending "Please copy files from A directory to B" mail every friday to first class B.E. passout, Infy employee.

Zakki Monday, June 05, 2006 - 10:23 am:      मी पण इथे १९७० ते २००१ पर्यंत programming आणि नंतर Systems Development management चे काम केले. अनेक BS in music, English, History झालेले लोक इतर काही जमत नाही म्हणून कसे बसे programming शिकून नोकरीला लावले. त्यांच्या कामाने जे इथल्या IT मधे न संपणारे घोळ घातले आहेत, त्याच्या यातना मला पुढे consultant झाल्यावर इतर अनेक कंपन्यांमधे अनुभवायला मिळाले. त्या पार्श्वभूमीवर भारतातून जेंव्हा 'कॉलेज ग्रॅज्युएट' अगदी CMM 5 level चे काम करतात, हे वाचले तेंव्हा मला फार अभिमान नि आशा वाटत होती की भारत अमेरिकेच्याहि पुढे जाणार. पण गेल्या काही वर्षातले अनुभव, विषेशत: पाच महिने प्रत्यक्ष भारतात राहून काही गोष्टी अनुभवल्यावर नि इथे आलेल्या भारतीयांनी काय केले ते पाहून माझे पण मत असे झाले आहे की जरी भारतीय नक्कीच बुद्धिमान असले तरी सध्या ते केवळ झटपट पैश्याच्या मागे लागून असे वाईट मत बनवून घेताहेत. नाहीतर भारतातहि super computer बनवणारे लोक आहेतच. तसे आणखीहि भारतात असणारच. निव्वळ लोकसंख्येनुसार, टक्केवारी कमी तरी head count जास्त असणारच. त्यांनाहि झटपट पैशापेक्षा जास्त शाश्वत प्रगति व्हावी (भारताची, नि संगणक शास्त्राची) अशी इच्छा असणारच. मग अश्या लोकांचा देशाभिमान जागा केला, त्यांना निदान संधि तरी दिली तर बरे. माझ्या मते एक कारण असे की पैशासाठी म्हणून अमेरिकेचे काम करायचे, अमेरिकेशी आपला काय संबंध? अश्या वृत्तिने (नि त्यात काही चूक नाही) असे होते. अमेरिकनांचा दृष्टिकोन, पूर्वी तरी वेगळा होता. देशाभिमान, माझी कंपनी, मी ती मोठ्ठी करीन, अशी वृत्ति होती. म्हणून त्यांनी झटून काम केले. आता सगळीकडेच 'झटपट पैसा' ने लोकांना झपाटले आहे, नि याही बाबतीतहि अमेरिका सर्वांच्या पुढे!