ima~hÜ... baroca vaoLa AapNa ho kaXmaIr p`XnaÊ pMtp`QaanaaMcaI pakIstana BaoTÊ basaÊAitrokI Asalao turLk
turLk kahI eoktÜ.. pNa mauLat kaXmaIr p`Xna Aaho trI kayaÆ KalaIla mau_\yaanaa QaÉna maahItI dota yaola
kaÆ
yaa baIbaI caa ]_oXa ithasaacaI AaiNa %yaacap`maaNao vat-maanaacaI jaaNa vaaZvaNao ha Aaho.
1.´ kaXmaIr p`Xna ksaa ]dBavalaaÆ
2.´ AitrokI naomako kÜNa AahotÆ bahusaM#ya kaXmaIrI janatolaa kaya vaaTt AsaavaoÆ
3.´ POK - Pak Occupied Kashmeer
4.´ isayaacaIna.
5.´ AajavarcaI yauwo AaiNa BaartacaI Bauimaka .... AaplaI mato...
6.´ saVisqatI AaiNa Baartavar hÜNaaro prINaama.
yaapOkI eKada mau_a inavaDavaa kIMvaa jamaola tsao.
ekuNaca kaya.. tr Aaplyaalaa maahIt AsalaolaI maahItI qao pÜsT kolaI tr baáyaacajaNaanaa maahItI hÜla...
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maI KalaIla maaihit eoklaI.
1. jaoMvha [Mga`ja sarkar saÜDUna gaolaoÊ toMvha BaartatIla saMsqaanaaMnaa pyaa-ya hÜta kI Baartat saamaIla
vhayacao kI paikstanaat. %yaavaoLI kaXmaIrcaa rajaa hircaMd yaasa kaXmaIr ho svatM~ rajya zovaayacao hÜto.
karNa %yaa kaLcyaa kiXmair janatocyaa mato to AajaU baajaUcyaa pzaNa [. laÜkaMpoxaa EaoYz Aahot² Ku_ pM
naoho$ yaaMnaaih tsaoca vaaTt hÜto Asao mhNatat. mhNaUnaca kaiXmarmaQao BaartIyaaMnaa jamaIna ivakt Gaayaalaa
prvaanagaI naahI² ³naoho$ pNa kaiXmarIca.´ pNa paikstananao Acaanak hllaa caZvalaa. mhNaUna Gaaba$na jaa}na
hircaMdnao Baartat saamaIla hÜtÜ Asao ilahUna idlao. mhNaUna maga BaartIya saOnya itkDo gaolao ina %yaaMnaI
pakIstanacaI AagaokUca qaMbavalaI. tirhI sava- pakIstanyaaMnaa haklaUna Vavao inaÊ jasao dixaNaotIla hOd`abaad
pÜilasa A^@Xana k$na Baartat saamaIla kolaoÊ tsao kaXmaIr ih kravao Asao pM naoho$Mnaa vaaTlao naahI.
%yaaMnaa vaaTlao AjaUnaih kaXmaIr svatM~ hÜla² mhNaUna ha p`Xna %yaaMnaI yaUnaÜ maQao naolaa. ]naÜ toMvha
f> ek vaYaa-cao hÜto. %yaavar Aqaa-tca [Mga`ja ina Amaoirka yaaMcaa pgaD hÜta. kaXmaIr maQaUna caIna
va riXayaa var horigarI krayalaa caaMgalaI jaagaa hÜtI. pNa Baart maa~ kuzlyaaih gaTatÊ ³riXayaa ikMvaa
Amaoirka´ saamaIla vhayacyaa ivaÉw hÜta. paikstananao maa~ tabaDtÜba [Mga`ja ina Amaoirkna pxaat saamaIla
hÜ} Asao jaahIr kolao. svatM~ kaXmaIr kolao tr %yaacaa kaya BarÜsaaÆ iXavaaya ]Va punaÁ paikstanaÊ Baart
ikMvaa riXayaaÊ caIna kuiNaih %yaavar hllaa k$na kbjaa Gaola. Asaa ivacaar k$naÊ [Mga`ja va Amaoirka
satt paikstanalaa paizMbaa dot raihlao. Aata Baart mhNatÜ kI kaXmaIr ha Aamacaa AMtga-t p`Xna AahoÊ Aamhalaa
%yaat Amaoirkna ikMvaa baa( doXaacaI madt ³lauDbaUD´ nakܲ maga toMvhaca Asaa piva~a Gao}na yaunaÜ maQao
na jaata sarL sagaLa kaXmaIr svatM~ ka kolaa naahIÆ naoho$ gaaMQaIÊ AihMsaaÊ [. [.² ta%purit tDjaÜD mhNaUna
Baartanao POK maanya kolao. puZo paikstananao A@saa caIna Baaga caInalaa do}na Taklaa. toMvha Baart sarkar kaya krt
hÜtoÆ ³Aata trI Baart sarkar kXaaba_la kya krto ho kuNaalaa maaiht AahoÆ´itqao maga caInanao rsta baaMQalaaÊ
ina %yaa rs%yaava$na pak va caIna yaaMcao vyaaparI saMbaMQa jauLlaoÊ ANaUXaas~acao &ana caInakDUna
paklaa imaLalao.
AitrokI naomako kÜNa AahotÆ bahuQaa sava- mauislama AahotÊ %yaaMnaa inaÁsaMXaya pakIstanacaI madt Aaho.
mauXa-f- ha karigala laa jabaabadar Aaho Asao mhNatat. toMvha AaQaI paikstanacaI madt qaaMbavalaI tr Aitro@yaaMcaa
p`Xna sauTola. pNa jasao [sa`a[la nao AXyaaca pirisqatIt baoQaDk [rak ina isairyaa vagaOrovar hllao caZvalao
tsao Baartalaa jamat naahI. Baartat ekMdrItca kamao krNyaa eovajaI tI ka hÜ} nayaot yaacaI karNao XaÜQaUna
kaZNao hoca jaast mah%vaacao.
AsaÜ.
svatÁba_la baÜlaayacao tr ha p`Xna jaoMvha sauTyacaa Asaola toMvha sauTÜ. maI maa~ vaoL AalaI kI lagaoca
dovaaGarI jaaNaarÊ mauLIca vaaT baGat basaNaar naahI
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A@saa caIna Asao naava ho kI nausto A@saa p`ant Asao naava ho AaiNa caInanao tabaa Gaotlyaanantr %yaalaa
A@saa caIna mhNaU laagalaoÆ
ha tÜca p`ant naa ijaqao gavatacao pato doiKla ]gavat naahI Asa inavaodna naohÉnaI sansadot kolao hÜtoÆ
Ja@kI tI gaÜYTpNa saangaanaa
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Champak
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| | Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 7:30 pm: |
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kaXmaIr ha ek ek p`Xna Aaho ho nauktoca Baartanao maanya kolao Aaho. Anyaqaa jaoMvha jaoMvha Baart pak
cacaa- hÜ Ana pak %yaat kaXmaIr cao tuntunao vaajvao toMvha Aaplao th hyaat prraYT/maM~I natvarisaMvha
ho ca ]<ar dot ik kaXmaIr mauLat p`Xnaca naahIyao² Aata puZo baÜlaa.
roDIÔ vaoba saaT var maagao ekda kXmaIr p`Xna Ana baanglaadoXa caI inamaI-tI (aMcaa saMbaMQaavar laoK
Aalaa hÜtI %yaacao title khIsao Asao hÜto .. stupid! its not kashmir, its bangladesh!
baanglaadoXa cyaa inamaI-tI naMtr ijavharI laagalaolaa Gaava XaaMt krNyaasaaqaI pakI saOnyaanao kaXmaIrat
AitrokI QaaDNao sauÉ kolao to Aajatagaayat caalau Aaho.
jagaatIla ek p`BaavaXaalaI saOnya dla AsalaolaI BaartIya saonaa AjaunahI %yaalaa ATkava kÉ XaklaI naaho
ho dudO-va.
pna rajakIya C\yaaXa>I caa ABaava ho ca %yaacao mauL karNa Aaho Asao malaa vaaTto.
pMjaaba XaaMt krNyaasaaqaI jalao maajaI AitrokI ibayaaMi%saMga (aMnaa CM kolao tsaoca Aata hI kaXmaIr maQyaI Aitro@yaaMcao maanaisak pazbaL Ana sahkaya- krNaaro mauF,tI sad ho
CM AahotÊ %yaamauLo kaXmaIr kahIsaa XaaMt Aaho. maoF,tI sad Ana AitrokI saMbaMQaasaazI Kup maagao GaDlaolao
mauF,tIMcyaa maulaIcao ÉbaIyaa cao AphrNa Aazvaa.
jaÜpya-Mt pakI saOnyaat baaMgalaadoXa yauwat hrlaolaI Ana Apmanaanao GaayaaL JaalaolaI ipQaI Aaho tÜvar
kaXmaIr XaaMt hÜNao AXa@yaa Aaho.
pakIstanaatIla iXaxaNa xao~acaI dud-Xaa ho hI %yaatIla ek karNa Aaho. jaoMvha itqalao laÜk iXaktola savartIla
toMvha kahI Cana GaDola AXaI vaoDI AaXaa Aaho.
mauXar-Ô laa kItIhI iXavyaa idlyaa trI tÜ ek Balaa maaNausa Aaho Asao idsato. ijahadIM maQyao rahuna %yaaMnaa
ivarÜQa krNao ho maayabaÜlaIvar pÜsT krNyaatko saÜpo na@kIca naahI²
puQaIla 50 vaYaa-t jarI ha p`Xna sauTlaa tr %yaa puZIla ipZ\(a Kroca sauvaNa- yaugaat vaavartIla.
]mmaod po duinayaa kayama hOM ²²²
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Zakki
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| | Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 4:07 am: |
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ek Plaana Aaho. laalaU p`saadlaa prime minister banavaa. maga mauXar-f AmaoirkokDUna pMQara vaIsa ibailayana Da^lasa- Gao}na yaola. %yaatlao barocasao
laalaUlaa dola. Baart paikstana ek~ raYT/ hÜla. laalaUÊ rbaDI ina maulaabaaLaMsakT Amaoirkolaa jaala.
ina paca saha vaYaa-t Amaoirkocaa ibahar k$na Takola. maga Amaoirkocao jagaavarIla vaca-sva kmaI hÜla.
laalaUlaa officially naÜbaola XaaMtta purskar imaLola. to sagaLo pOsao tÜ yaa navaIna raYT/alaa do}na Takola. maga %yaa raYT/acao
naava laalaustana Asao zovatIla. %yaacaI rajaQaanaI rbaDIpurI. AaiNa sava- jagaat BayaaNa XaMtta psarola.
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Zakki
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| | Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 4:11 am: |
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ikMvaa dusara Pla^na Asaa kIÊ BaartBarÊ laacaKa}pNaaÊ svaaqaI- pNaaÊ payaat XaopUT GaalaNao ho sagaLo
pMQara idvasaasaazI qaaMbavaa. saggaLo p`Xna sauTtIla baGaa²
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Kaukhan
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| | Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:15 am: |
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Dhondopant,
In a nutshell, Kashmir issue originally started in 1947 when the likes of Rao Farman Ali tried to secure himalayan waters for Pakistan using Jinnah as shikhandi. Over the years - due to various issues - the issue has undergone a metamorphosis. It is too long to write about and I may not be able to write it all in devnagari here but if you are really really interested, I would suggest you search the archives on Bharat Rakshak for "Rao Farman Ali", "1947", "Maharaja Hari Singh" et al. You may also want to read previous issues of Bharat Rakshak Monitor for articles on Kashmir and Siachen.
Sadly, most Indians are not aware of what happened there though we know partially what is happening there.
Regards,
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Papalet
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| | Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:44 am: |
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Zakki Baa}Ê itqaohI kahI idvasaanaI laalausqaana Jaalao trÆ maga tumacyaa %yaa sagaL\yaa pxaanaa sqaana imaLola
ka Æ
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Zakki
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| | Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:58 am: |
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pplaoTÊ Aro tIca tr AayaiDyaacaI klpnaa Aaho²
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Najuka
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| | Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:43 pm: |
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well ppl, when i read this thread, i really was curious to know more about it. i started surfing and found this article/paper . It is written by an indian so is a lil bit in favorism of india, but still worth a read, nicely explained few things
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0902/153.html
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Kaukhan
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| | Friday, April 22, 2005 - 3:28 pm: |
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Najuka,
Just what exactly do you mean by "lil bit in favorism of india"? Are you trying to imply that you somehow believe that the Indian position is neither correct nor honest? Apologies for sounding sarcastic here but must we always try and appear "balanced" for the sake of it? Even when there is nothing to balance?
Un-informed comments result in gaffes all over the place (including Indian media) that Pakistan exploits to its own advantage. On one hand we have our Saurabh Kalias being tortured & butchered in clear flouting of all international conventions and on the other hand we have the likes of ARoy and Purefool Bidwai wailing at the thought of Pakistan being punished for its crimes. We still use "militants" and not "terrorists" in news for crying out loud.
Here is one more...
http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper710.html
You may also want to keep track of B Raman's articles.
By the way, I realised that I quoted wrong name. Rao Farman Ali is from 1971. I will post the correct name later.
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Kaukhan
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Found it. It was Maj Gen Akbar Khan. Read the story here:
http://www.indianembassy.org/policy/Kashmir/Kashmir_MEA/introduction.html
Note that the tribals were used under "not our people" pretext. Hmm...where else did we see this "not our army" in the year 1999? I wonder...
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Kaukhan
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Regarding Siachen, I will only narrate one comment.
About 4-6 months ago there was again talk of "demilitarisation of Siachen". Some fruit cakes went so far as to suggest that Indian Army should be totally pulled out and status reverted to pre-1983. Yeah, right! One army officer remarked wryly, "We don't mind coming down but don't ask us to go back up".
QED
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Bossy
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| | Friday, April 22, 2005 - 6:10 pm: |
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Aajaca roiDÔ var ha laoK vaacalaa.
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Champak
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| | Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:46 am: |
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http://www.esakal.com/static/raviwar5.html
sakaL caa rvaIvaar caa laoK²
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Champak
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| | Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 3:36 pm: |
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http://frontlineonnet.com/fl2213/stories/20050701001608100.htm
Read this inetersting article.
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Moodi
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| | Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 4:57 pm: |
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A@saa icanamaQyao gavatacao patodoKIla ]gavat nasalyaanao tÜ Aaplaa p`aMt naaih (a naoÉMcyaa ivaQaanaavar
pMiD,t madnamaÜhna maalaivaya naohÉMnaa mhNaalao ik tumacyaa Tklaavar saQyaa kosa naaihtÊmhNaUna tÜ Baaga
inaÉpyaÜgaI AaiNa maoMduivarhIt Asaa samajaayacaa kaÆ
naohÉ maga inaÉtr Jaalao.
ilaMbau maQyaoca ]caklyaaba_la maaf kr
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