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Mahaguru Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:29 am:      Ja@kI Ê tsao paihlao tr sava-ca laÜk kima AiQak p`maaNaat tsaoca vaagatat ... ]da. Aaplao dixaNa Baaritya baaMQava

Zakki Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:00 pm:      toih barÜbarca Aaho. AaiNa %yaaMcyaaivaÉw mhNaUnaca iXavasaonaocaa janma maumbašt Jaalaa. maI f> BaartabaahorIla laÜkaMnaa saavaQa krtÜ Aaho.

Tush Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 3:07 pm:      I dont think we are referring to "racism" here. If you are favouring your own people , it is not necessarily racism ,otherwise every community will be called racist.

Nirakar Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:06 pm:      Sto: Mala Zakkinche mhanane patate all this happnes when you are compiting ith them. When I was just a developer, I thought world is butiful no politics everything is driven by your ability and hardwork. when I started working as manager it is all different now. Working a account manager I faced lot of plitics and recisum (including as Mahaguru said like Our own Southies)form various level. As Zakki said, Jews and Chinese have lion sahre in this.

Nirakar Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:14 pm:      sTÜ tu tuJyaa CEO caa Ôkt AQaa- Baaga saingatlaa AahosaÊ dusara Baaga %yaanao malaa saingatlaa tÜ Asaa %yaalaa AaiQapasaunaca Baaritya laÜk jaaduTÜnaa krNyaat pTašt Asatat ho maahItI hÜtoÊ tulaa pihlyaaMda baGauna %yacaa ha samaja Ôrca vaaZlaaÊ naMtr tu AarMgao~ma cao saingatlyaavar tr %yacaI Ka~Ica JaalaI.. ibacáyaanao GaabaÉna picnic puZo ZklalaI ]igaca kÜNa ivaYacaI pirxaa GaoyaIlaÊ naahI kaÆ ~D ~D

Storvi Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 6:29 pm:      lol nirakar... .. But seriously, favouritism, kinva neputism saglikadech asta, tyaala kuthli ek jaat kinva jamaat jababdar ahe asa mala watat nahi... kityek varsha amhi kanadi lok, maharashtratle jobs fakta kanadyannach kase detat he aikla hota/pahilahi hota... nantar, tyabarobbar ulata maharashtrian maharashtriananna jobs detat, asa kanadyancha samaj, mala lagna zalyavar kalalaa.. fact is this happens... ata amchya office madhye tar ekun ek dev halu halu indians alet.. originally good mix hota.. te jaun.....ata sagle bharatiya zalet... apan tyala apla "intelligence" hardwork ashi nava deu, pan ithle lok tyala favouritismach mhantat.... Mulaat job sathi apply kartanna references astil tar tyala favour karnyachi pratyek companychi policy astech ki. Mag ti policych chuk ka?

Nirakar Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 6:43 pm:      Sto: Tuze mhanane patale, pan Zakki ne sangitalale khote nahi. tu mhanates te favouritism nahi, pan project madhe problem asattanna, jenva khapar konavar phodayache asel tenva he sagale hote, kevala ekhadyala to 'apala' mhanun sanrakshan dene(jari tyachya mule problem asel tari) ha pan tyatlach prakar aahe. He ase hote agadi khare aahe. Mazya eka mitrachya co madhe chinese mgr hoti, tine halu halu chinese chi bharati keli, eth paryant thik aahe pan nantar tyanna kahich yet nahi ase pahun ti indian lokkan kam sangayachi pan varati chinese lokkana promote karayachi he far zale. Shevati tithalya Indian mullani band kele ani chinese lokkanna sahkarya dene band kele, mag kuthe neat zale, kahi divasnni ti mgr geli. Hi ghatana Bay Area madhali aahe !

Rangy Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 8:50 pm:      >>But seriously, favouritism, kinva neputism saglikadech asta, tyaala kuthli ek jaat kinva jamaat jababdar ahe asa mala watat nahi... I completely agree. ha ek manavi swabhavacha pailu ahe, ani to konatyahi race/jatichya manasamadhye asu shakato.

Abedekar Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:45 pm:      yet - im sure managers are under pressure to deliver - and cannot really afford to indulge in nepotism except those at the very top. besides there is always the risk of lawsuits if it is as blatant as nirakar puts it. about hiring, all things being equal, being from the same part of the world as the manager can help ... but i doubt if a desi manager would prefer a desi unless he were as good or better than the other candidates (besides, i'd think that the hiring manager, if desi, would be even more particular and make sure tht the new guy is really good, so no one accuses him of nepotism)

Storvi Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:52 pm:      Abe all things being equal then some partiality is observed. Actually in my company a strange partiality occured, that people did not even notice. A few months ago they were interviewing for a position, and what with the state of economy they got a lot better response than they had expected. So when the interview was conducted, there were at least two who were let's say equal.. now bare in mind, that the manager who was to hire isn't indian, one of the interviewers, was jew other asian(Thai american)...one indian, and the rest americans. Yet of the two candidate, one indian, one asean, guess which one got picked...

Abedekar Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:22 am:      i have no clue - and i think you should try reading your post again, maybe you wont have a clue either.

Storvi Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:34 am:      he he he The Indian ofcourse.. I guess what I was trying to prove that people in my compony seem to prefer us Indians over other race professionals....

Zakki Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 12:43 am:      maaJaa AnauBava nausataca nepotism ba_la nasaUnaÊ to laÜk jaaNaUna baujaUna dusaáyaalaa naÜkrItUna GaalavaUna doNyaacao ]VÜga krtat. maaJyaa AaiQahI %yaaMnaI hoca QaMdo [traMvar kolao hÜto.

Abedekar Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 1:22 am:      sto - that may have to do with track record. indians in general have a good performance and fit in well with the system, so it maybe a matter of going in with what seems to have worked well ... and why not!!

Nirakar Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 2:11 am:      Just to give u an idea of how mgr calulates cost- assume that co is looking for hiring consultant with expected rate of say 100$/hr for a resource. If this bid is from American co, consultants work for 40hr/week. but most of indian co consultants work for 60hr/week. but co don't chanrge OT. i.e effective rate is 40*100/60 = $66/hr ! so prefering Indian has this reason as well.

Upas Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 2:42 am:      Very well mentioned Niraakaar.. yes it's fact!

Abedekar Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 4:44 am:      that sir - is the benefit of outsourcing to an indian company - where one is not "hiring" the employee per se ... so dont quite agree about it being the same thing as the favoritism issue